The clen I'm not so sure about. Started out with a dose of 40mcg per day. Felt nothing. Slowly but surely moved to 160mcg a day and still experience nothing at all but have retained at it for around two months at that dose. Have placed 4 orders with ausjuice.com, https://bersa-380-thunder-for-sal02444.wikievia.com/10218249/how_much_you_need_to_expect_you_ll_pay_for_a_good_is_ugloz_legit_reddit